IA 9142

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Re: IA 9142

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Talking of Semi-sports, I just received this photo (i'll be getting a better copy) of a Shropshire-registered (in late 1931) Semi-sports from an earlier owner.

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Re: IA 9142

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A few more photographs.

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Re: IA 9142

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Time flashes by, thought I would do another post! Enquiries through the Irish DVA show that the car was first registered by a David Edgar in Antrim on the 2nd March 1931. He last registered it in March 1959, suggesting an ownership of nearly 30 years. This could of course have been longer if he then laid it up. This now leaves me with a potential gap in the history from 1960 to 1970. I have already started a contact with the family, and hope to learn more.

With the car came a raft of spares including an engine, (the number of which is 200 away from the saloons!), a gearbox, a front axle with backplates, an original cut-out, various lamps, brackets etc. In order to take a break from the saloon body I decided to start to strip both engines to see which best lent itself to restoration. It quickly became apparant that the 'new' spare engine, (bought from Harry Edwards as a 'good runner') 25 years ago is the better one. The only real fault I have yet found is a broken front bearing housing cover (engine mount), and a whole load of sludge and gunge in the sump. (The saloon engine has run the side of the no2 big end bearing). The white metal bearings all seem sound enough, but the large main bearing seems a bit 'crunchy' and will have to be replaced. Anyway all the main components are about to go off for a deep clean, and a professional check of the clearances. I'm hoping to reuse most things, including the +40 pistons as there seems to be no bore wear, but it would seem sensible to replace the rings? So I'm looking forward to paint and reassembly. If anyone can advise me of any little mods that can be incorporated, (apart from the external filter which I have read up on and am undecided about). For instance it seems logical to replace the small tail bearing with a sealed one. Are there any other mods that will help to reduce the chance of oil leaks?

I must get back to that body, regards to all, Mike.
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Re: IA 9142

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I forgot to attach these two pictures,
Mike.
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Re: IA 9142

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Hi Mike

From your report and the photos this looks like an excellent starting point for a good engine. I'm not sure the sealed tail end bearing is necessary, as if you have oil in front of it, it must have come back through the taper, and this wouldn't be good news! I can tell you that you really need to seal the plug at the rear end of the oil gallery in the block very well and wind it up tight. Other than that, I don't know of any engine mods at the back end to reduce the risk of oil seepage, although there was a mod to the gearbox input to the gearbox which are noted in the Service Sheets to prevent gearbox oil seepage.

Good luck and keep us posted. Is the engine out of the Semi-sportsd at present?
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Re: IA 9142

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Hi Mike,
Don't forget to take the plugs out of the crankshaft, a lot of sludge collects inside. Sometimes they need to be drilled out.
Good luck,
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Re: IA 9142

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Hi Ian,

I have a reground early crank, 1929 (parallel flywheel flange) which appears to have core plugs fitted to the oil drillings. Do you know if this is original or are they a replacement for threaded plugs. Thanks.
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Re: IA 9142

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Interesting, Simon. The later cranks had plugs with tapered threads and square female socket holes for fitting/removing. I have not seen the core plug type you describe. Could you post a photo?
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Re: IA 9142

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The engine rebuild continues, the block is away at the moment for a +60 rebore, the crank is being reground and the con rods are to be remetalled. The plugs in the crank will be removed for cleaning. Remarkably the rear bearing and flange are OK ! Incidentally Ian, the plug for the rear gallery was held in by a locking device, I've attached a picture and will heed your advice for reassembly.

With most of the engine away I've had a look at the oil pump and the clutch. One pump had nearly new gears, but the relief valve plunger was nearly seized and took some shifting. A spare plunger is going in and I suppose I ought to get another spring? The clutch is a bit perplexing beacause the original pressure plate is of a diferent pattern to the spare that I have. This seems altogether stronger, I hope the picture explains better. I can't see any reason not to use it, can anyone else? (and does anyone know where it came from). I thought I would also include a picture of two of the operating levers I have. As you can see these range from the nearly new to some which must be on the point of disintegration! The clutch plate was badly scored, but the recently obtained pile of spares has turned up what looks to be a new one with just surface rust.

I'm now looking forward to assembling it all. I won't take the s/sports engine and box out until this and another box are ready to go in.

Regards to all,
Mike.
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The original is on the right, is it OK to use the other?
The original is on the right, is it OK to use the other?
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Two different profiled clutch levers!
Two different profiled clutch levers!
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Re: IA 9142

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Hi Mike,

Thanks for the update and pics. I really like the locking plate mod. for the oil gallery plug.

Re the different clutch plates, I suspect that they are interchangeable, the stronger one being a later version, or even an aftermarket item from Remax, Brivec, etc.? The only time I have noticed two different variants of the clutch plate is when I found one that did not have the steel thrust buttons attached - or even any holes to attach them. From this, I presume that the very early plates didn't have the buttons (which take the thrust from the three hardened steel thrust pins), but the need for a mod. would have become evident quite quickly as it wouldn't take very long for the hardened pins to mash the ali.

Keep up the good work.
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Re: IA 9142

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While waiting for the engine block to be returned I got on with overhauling the clutch. I have just rivetted in the new linings and changed over the clutch fingers. Interestingly these are a little deeper at the point where the adjustment screws go through, however the new thrust pins are a little longer so I think the overall effect is the same. I have also inserted new thrust buttons into the pressure plate. New clutch springs are to be used which are certainly longer than the old ones, which I guess settle with age.

A couple of days ago I gave Terry Synott a little help with his engine rebuild by hanging onto the flywheel while he tightened up the main nut! Terry had made up an ingenious device from wood with a long handle which bolted to the flywheel to counteract the necessary turning force on the nut. Anyway we got it up to about 130ft/lbs, which should prove adequate. The engine is looking good and Terry is approaching the rebuild very methodically and carefully.

I'm now looking for another job to do until the engine is returned, I might have a look at the distributors I have got and try to figure out which is best and what I can do with it!

Regards to all, Mike.
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clutch now ready for reassembly
clutch now ready for reassembly
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After the wooden lever was removed and nut tightened
After the wooden lever was removed and nut tightened
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Re: IA 9142

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Looking very nice Mike. It will be great to have another Semi-sports out and about next year. Where did you get those segmented clutch linings?
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Re: IA 9142

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The clutch linings came from S&V,
Mike.
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Re: IA 9142

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Interesting - looks like they must have a new supplier since I bought my last set from them.
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Re: IA 9142

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At last some engine progress to report. The block, crankshaft and rods have just been returned from Pigsty Racing. The block has been rebored to +60 and thoroughly cleaned. The crank had the caps drilled out and the oilways completely cleaned, some needed to be drilled as the debris had gone solid! New caps of the same material were screwed in tightly. It was ground and then John Kirkby of Croydon remetalled and machined the ends. A new set of pistons have come from S&V and the rings have been gapped. Interestingly the old big end bolts/screws had all stretched and were probably close to breaking. The new set are to racing/aircraft spec to be secured with k-nuts. Unfortunately the return has coincided with sub-zero temperatures and a freezing garage , so some assembly is taking place in the kitchen. Various ancilliaries have been cleaned/painted or replaced, and I hope to have the whole assembly together by the Spring and into the s/sports. Well that's the plan! The pictures are hopefully self-explanatory. The colour of the block is being painted MG maroon. I like the colour and it looks period, also any oil leaks should show better than on black!

Regards to all, Mike.
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First coat of maroon over two coats of acid etch primer
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You can see two of the cleaned oilways and one of the new plugs
You can see two of the cleaned oilways and one of the new plugs
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block with pistons in place
block with pistons in place
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